Thursday, December 14, 2006

Engineering and Autism - or, why I should be going out with someone superficial




The inhouse journal of the IEEE, Spectrum, had this article in recently, which puts forward the idea that what we describe as autism is really only one extreme of a spectrum of behaviour, and could be brought on by selective breeding. As a possible reason for the increasing numbers of autistic children, it suggests that your modern engineer (or anyone with an analytical turn of mind) is more likely now to end up married to another engineer (or anyone with an analytical mind, etc., etc.), rather than the girl down the hall studying History of Music - and that two borderline autistic people are more likely to have an autistic child. " Among the children of engineers, autism and related
conditions are found twice as often as in the general
population, according to British
studies
, and are unusually common even in the
grandchildren of engineers. Anecdotally, hot spots of
autism have been reported in major centers of
engineering, including Silicon Valley; Austin, Texas;
and Boston’s Route 128 technology ring."


This has the ring of truth to me. I can think of several people who I'd describe as borderline autistic, and they're all engineers. And as the gender gap in scientific and engineering disciplines slowly (oh so slowly) narrows, more people will marry those of similar persuasions - and I find it believable that this results in a kind of mental inbreeding.

But blimey, how boring to have to live with someone who just emotes and empathizes, and never creates anything.



26 comments:

Andrew C said...

I know a few engineers who's married to a very arty/musical wives.
I know of autistics children who have thoroughly non-autistic parents / grandparents
I think the hotspot reasoning is flawed - I'd say it helps, these days, to be "a little autistic" in many engineering jobs - the levels of sauvant-ness required on some major projects relies on it.


I wonder if there's any way of spotting autism in animals?

XXXX YYYY said...

Superficial!? Is that really your assessment of artistic types, right brain, non- scientific-creative-superficial?


now I have to go to Macy's all mad.

Phil Huggins said...

A friend of mine's wife (yeah yeah friend of a friend) is a biostatistician in the US and apprently there is a correlation between communities with specialist school provision for children diagnosed with aspergers and autism and local plants of large technology companies such as HP or IBM. The highly-speculative inference was that where large groups of 'geeks' congregate, form relationships and have kids there may have a higher prevalance of these conditions.

However, correlation does not imply causation, I should probably RTFA to find out if the analysis has identified a causal link or is just more speculation.

Matt Worldgineer said...

Adding to the anecdotal info pile: A friend is terribly logical to a fault (and as a result has no sense of humor). She had a child with a computer programmer she described as far more logical and humorless then herself. Their child is the only one I know with aspergers.

Oh, but I don't know of any engineers married to each other. Most engineers I know marry elementary school teachers. I suppose there is some set of attributes that engineers share with children, but I can't imagine what that might be.

Not Mark Flynn said...

I create things! Tons of things. They're thinking of giving me an award for all the things I've created.

No, I will not show you anything I've created, please stop asking.

John Bush said...

Well, in my undergrad class the ratio of guys to girls was about 85:5. That might explain the inter-breeding rarity.

I can't represent every engineer out there but my top 'attributes' happens to be my powers of communication and my sideways thinking. I'm also very logical. Go figure.

Matt F said...

Buy something nice Debs - cheer yourself up;)

XXXX YYYY said...

buggar

Matt F said...

Of course I don't really think every non-engineer is superficial - I just couldn't think of a better word at the time.

XXXX YYYY said...

double buggar

XXXX YYYY said...

That's because in the world of black and white, yes or no, follow the rules, don't go experimenting in here- thinking there is only one correct word. I know your type buster.

Matt Worldgineer said...

Ficial? Subficial?

Matt F said...

As Matt (sort of) points out, it has got the word 'super' in it.

And anyway: "don't go experimenting" - that's all I do all day.

I probably should have said 'someone right-brain' - except I can never remember which is which

XXXX YYYY said...

Having spent the better (if there is such a thing!) part of my career working for and with engineers, I've encountered a number of engineer/engineer and engineer/scientist marriages, and a couple of things stand out:

1. One engineer/engineer marriage (both civil engineers) brought forth 2 sets of twins...who as far as I am aware, are completely normal.

2. Another engineer/engineer marriage (civil/environmental) produced two high-functioning autistic sons.

3. One engineer/scientist marriage produced a son who is incredibly intelligent but displays some...interesting tendencies. It would not surprise me one whit if the lad turned out gay as a maypole in a couple years when he hits high school.

4. Two systems engineers I know at IBM have a profoundly autistic son.

I personally feel it's better for engineers to breed outside their species for a number of reasons ;-) I will cheerfully raise my hand and proudly proclaim my superficiality, but I'm way more fun at parties than most engineers will ever be. I bet I get invited to more parties than they do ;-)

Matt Worldgineer said...

Which brings up a good point. If engineer-types rarely get invited to parties, perhaps there's a similar phenomenon happening with anti-autistic children. I will call it socialbutterflyism and it's a serious disease. Just look at Paris Hilton.

XXXX YYYY said...

Rosalie! welcome to superficials not-anonymous. I love your closing statement, I'm still laughing:-)

James Clarke said...

And is it any wonder engineers look for mates similar to themselves? Paris Hilton strikes me as having the intelligence and conversational abilities of a balloon.

Steph Rana said...

Hah.

My dad's an engineer, and my mum's an economics major who ended up teaching highschool PE (so your prediction that engineers marry teachers is pretty true;-) ). As far as I can see the four of us kids haven't really inherited any sole traits from either of my parents. My little brother is a bit dim, with reading, writing and mathematics difficulties, but he's got social butterflyism, my sister is medium bright but has social butterflyism, my elder brother isn't mathematically inclined, but he's a bit socially awkward but he's good at society and environment type stuff.

Matt F said...

But balloons are fun.

XXXX YYYY said...

Just as autism is an extreme, so is socialbutterflyism. I propose that the tectonic plates of our planet be manipulated in such a way as to cause the southern half of California (and all of Texas and Washington DC. Sorry, but it's my dream, and you're just going to have to let me dream it) to float away to become their own independent island-states, and all vapid heiresses, past-their-prime pop tarts who can't find their knickers, useless-as-tits-on-a-boar politicians of all parties, crackberry-addicted jailbait starlets who can't spell and their minions be confined to it. This, my friends, is my fondest Holiday dream.

Debbie: I'm pleased to be in the club! Will my membership card be forthcoming? ;-)

Moom: Balloons ARE fun. So is mocking Paris Hilton, a subject upon which all sides can agree. I'm all for unity, you know. ;-)

XXXX YYYY said...

I am working on a logo, card design, and motto.

What do you think of :

"de gustibus non est desputandum"

or perhaps: "deliriant isti Americani"

XXXX YYYY said...

the logo is a cluster of balloons, surrounded by smiley faces.

ex helium varum

James Clarke said...

I'm surprised it didn't come to me sooner - could this be the beginning of wells' prediction of the future? The morlockian engineers' skin turning palid and eyes growing accustomed to the low light of monitors - while the eloi socialbutterflies frolick on the surface of the world, playing in the sun and looking pretty.

Matt F said...

Which brings us back to the first thing I ever wrote on Multiply...

XXXX YYYY said...

read it, very good, the difference here in this c. is the Eloi are at least contributing members of society.

Chemer Bneemer said...

I found you via a search and I think anyone that has an Interest in Autism apart from the negative is worth talking to.

I got diagnosed at 34 with Aspergers. It was probably too late for me to get help. I have mainly had to muddle through as best as I could in life. Taking all the knocks, cruel jokes at work and also failed relationships on the chin. At least now I have met an Aspie type of woman who is a great person and we have hit it off. She is not all about makup and what the latest fashions are and I feel at home with her. She is not ugly either, although she tends to see herself as a freak because her friends like to do the makeup thing and the pretty dresses etc. All of this she can't stand.

Anyway just wanted to say great work putting the word out there.

Steve